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do you really think it's the matter of perspective? because how i see it is you keep contradicting yourself

Do you think that objectively truthfully tulpas are you?

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump it's the matter of perspective

Or do you think it depends on how you define you?

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

do you really think it's the matter of perspective? because how i see it is you keep contradicting yourself

Perspective is subjective to only us as individuals

9:25 PM

Meaning it's still you if you choose to recognize or pursue it

what if you don't decide it?

entertain,me 😎

Meaning it's still you if you choose to recognize or pursue it

and if you dont?

entertain,me 😎

Which is you

Im not understanding, if you need a way to define tulpas to match your wording ill give you this A tulpa is something outside of your perspective of control

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

what if you don't decide it?

Then it's dissociation

is it you then or not

Just because you're dissociated, doesn't make it not you

so is it the matter of perspective?

entertain,me 😎

Then it's dissociation

The unconscious is not dissociation either... This is so inconsistent...

or not

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

The unconscious is not dissociation either... This is so inconsistent...

Yes, it is

9:27 PM

For example you can't control your dreams

entertain,me 😎

Just because you're dissociated, doesn't make it not you

Your making dissociation a very unheavy word

noooo don't start lucid dreaming

entertain,me 😎

For example you can't control your dreams

unless you can...

lolcery don't pick up the bait

How do you define dissociation?

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

unless you can...

If you can then it's no longer an unconscious action

9:27 PM

Which is still you

but you said it's the matter of perspective!

entertain,me 😎

If you can then it's no longer an unconscious action

You really are not getting to the core of the argument...

what if i don't consider unconscious to be me

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

unless you can...

Its more of an influence thing, controlling your dreams isnt very fun

You keep fixated in your definition of you, and you dont see that there can be others...

what you are saying is that it's all the matter of perspective but ultimately your perspective is the objective truth

9:28 PM

which doesn't make sense

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

but you said it's the matter of perspective!

Bruh

9:28 PM

What?

unless you put "god" in your nickname not ironically

I already said that perspective is subjective

9:29 PM

Which is opinionated based on yoh

9:29 PM

You

anyway i don't think this is moving forward at all so

Sill you is defined as you say and only as you say...

I don't think you can really say you consider the unconscious to be you or not you, because the unconscious is a whole lot of stuff. You'd probably consider parts of you and parts of it not you (edited)

Reguile

I don't think you can really say you consider the unconscious to be you or not you, because the unconscious is a whole lot of stuff. You'd probably consider parts of you and parts of it not you (edited)

That's like denying a part of yourself

Reguile

I don't think you can really say you consider the unconscious to be you or not you, because the unconscious is a whole lot of stuff. You'd probably consider parts of you and parts of it not you (edited)

The computer im using is unconscious to me because i dont feel it :S

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

anyway i don't think this is moving forward at all so

It is if you look backwards (perspective!

)

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

The computer im using is unconscious to me because i dont feel it :S

This doesn't remotely make any sense

It is if you look backwards (perspective!

)

@berockly (TTG) - jump ok this was pretty funny

Your computer isn't you

i laughed irl

berockly (TTG)

It is if you look backwards (perspective!

)

Which is subjective to you

entertain,me 😎

Your computer isn't you

You were defining unconscious as not a choice

entertain,me 😎

That's like denying a part of yourself

Please, answer me this: Do you think the word "you" has an objective truthful definition and whoever disagrees with that definition is wrong? (edited)

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Please, answer me this: Do you think the word "you" has an objective truthful definition and whoever disagrees with that definition is wrong? (edited)

There isn't any objective meaning to "you"

9:32 PM

I already said 5 times is subjective to you

9:32 PM

Your own indi

9:32 PM

Individual

entertain,me 😎

There isn't any objective meaning to "you"

Then, do you understand that when you and me say "you" we might mean different things?

Contradiction! You also said that things you dont consider you are objectively still you, so how can it be subjective if it isnt

berockly (TTG)

Contradiction! You also said that things you dont consider you are objectively still you, so how can it be subjective if it isnt

dont point out more contradictions, it will get the conversation off rails

berockly (TTG)

Contradiction! You also said that things you dont consider you are objectively still you, so how can it be subjective if it isnt

The entirely of this conversation is subjective

entertain,me 😎

There isn't any objective meaning to "you"

I will repeat. Then, do you understand that when you and me say "you" we might mean different things?

trees: "There isn't any objective meaning to "you"" also trees: "[...]Meaning it's still you if you choose to recognize or pursue it"

There isn't any objective to the mind or sense of self whatever you may call it

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

trees: "There isn't any objective meaning to "you"" also trees: "[...]Meaning it's still you if you choose to recognize or pursue it"

Because "you" are subjective

What point are you trying to make godo? That tulpas really are you?

Yeah

But you said there is no objective truth to the word you...

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Objectively there is no boundary between yourself and not yourself (besides you being a point of awareness, that is certain and its impossible to go further back then that since its the root of self)

So tulpas are only you if you decide to define you in such a way that includes them...

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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

But you said there is no objective truth to the word you...

I did say that, but I also said that it's a matter of opinion

entertain,me 😎

Yeah

Do you not see the point shibi is getting at?

Unless you say there is in fact an objective truth.

Which is exclusive to you individually

entertain,me 😎

I did say that, but I also said that it's a matter of opinion

Then do we agree that tulpas are not you depending on how you define that?

If your sense of you is subjective, a tulpa outside your subjective definition is not you

so you decide to consider tulpas "you" even if you aknowledge that what is "you" is arbitrary?

9:36 PM

by the way, how old are you tulpas?

Confusion

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Then do we agree that tulpas are not you depending on how you define that?

The nicest person in the world would still at some point think of evil

9:36 PM

Whether they want to or not

9:36 PM

And vice versa

entertain,me 😎

The nicest person in the world would still at some point think of evil

do you agree or do you not

entertain,me 😎

The nicest person in the world would still at some point think of evil

Evil is subjective

berockly (TTG)

Evil is subjective

stop creating branches!

It is indeed subjective

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

stop creating branches!

Im sorry! I cant help it!

entertain,me 😎

It is indeed subjective

So, tulpas can be you or not depending on how you subjectively define the word. Is this correct? (edited)

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Then do we agree that tulpas are not you depending on how you define that?

If you think it and recognize it in your own head it's you

The self is subjective in the same way that the sky is subjective. Two people make argue if the sky is blue, baby blue, maybe someone's going to say it's teal. But if some guy comes out and says it's bright pink you know something's wrong with that guy.

Reguile

The self is subjective in the same way that the sky is subjective. Two people make argue if the sky is blue, baby blue, maybe someone's going to say it's teal. But if some guy comes out and says it's bright pink you know something's wrong with that guy.

That's subjective to your opinion

entertain,me 😎

If you think it and recognize it in your own head it's you

Okay, so to you a tulpa is not outside of yourrself THis is what we are establishing

There isn't objectivity to anything in this world

9:38 PM

We just assign terms and perspectives

9:38 PM

To recognize them

entertain,me 😎

There isn't objectivity to anything in this world

Then do we agree we all where right from the beginning? and tulpas can be you or not depending on your perspective?

then why are you arguing for objectivity of one perspective

berockly (TTG)

Okay, so to you a tulpa is not outside of yourrself THis is what we are establishing

Pretty much

You seem to not realize that does not apply to the other 7 billion people tho

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

then why are you arguing for objectivity of one perspective

I'm not arguing

berockly (TTG)

Okay, so to you a tulpa is not outside of yourrself THis is what we are establishing

STOP MIXING

To me lynn (a tulpa) is not me

9:39 PM

Whether you think she is me or not